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Post by Annihilation Nation on Apr 14, 2015 1:08:54 GMT
With his performance over the weekend he is worthy of having his own thread. I put the question out there before the Masters how Jordan Spieth would be looked at if he won the Masters. The question is being answer resoundingly that he is likely the staple of the future of American golf. He predictably is being compared now to McIlroy and he is now #2 in the world. The hype for him since his win is incredible. Here is a link regarding how high Spieth can take things after this win. espn.go.com/golf/masters15/story/_/id/12674885/jordan-spieth-rising-star-tiger-woods-gameAlmost all pros and analysts are very impressed with his performance at Augusta and with him in general. The question being asked is will Spieth end up with over or under 5 total majors for his career. It's easy at first to take the over and that still is likely my answer but the game is as deep as ever with good players. The thing I think that puts Spieth at his high pedestal is his competitive and calm demeanor when the pressure gets higher. He seems unfazed by what is going on around him, such as when his lead was cut to 3 by some pretty good players. He always responded to adversity well when he could have easily fallen apart at any moment. What convinced me he was in control was how he saved par at 18 on Saturday after posting a double bogey. He hit a great delicate pitch shot onto the green and gutted the 10 foot putt when he needed it most. He wouldn't have slept well at all had he bogeyed that hole. I think the upside of McIlroy still might be higher but I think the consistancy of Spieth is what will make his just as devestating as Rory going forward. Rory had a major meltdown at Augusta when he had the same Sunday lead that Spieth had. That is why I put Spieth at an even level with McIlroy at this point. That might seem a bit of an over exaggeration but I am impressed with the Nerves of Spieth and golf is obviously a very nervy sport. Regardless of what happens and how much Spieth can live up the the hype, in the near future he is going to be very much put under the microscope and very much getting alot of attention going forward. It will be interesting to follow. So for next year in the auction Spieth is in the 90 dollar range minimum if not edging toward the century mark. |
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Post by Sea Island Mafia on Apr 14, 2015 1:33:56 GMT
Rory had a major meltdown at Augusta when he had the same Sunday lead that Spieth had. That is why I put Spieth at an even level with McIlroy at this point. Good analysis, Eric, agree with much of it. There were two moments that really impressed me about Spieth, this weekend. 1. After his double on 17 on Saturday, he nearly shanked his approach on 18. Had a very difficult up/down, and stuck a chip within 5 feet, and canned the putt. And yes, I remember (all too well, lol) Rory's collapse on 10 in the '11 Masters. Still have nightmares. I kept waiting for a similar eff-up by Spieth on Sunday, which never happened. 2. On 16 on Sunday, Rose had a 12 footer for birdie (just missed). And Spieth had a 6-7 foot slider to save par. And he jarred it. What could have been (if Rose made his birdie/Spieth miss) was 2 up with 2 to play. But Spieth maintained his 3 stroke edge. I've always like Spieth, but those two moments really were phenomenal, imo. Right now, he's CLEARLY the best putter in the world. CLEARLY. I noticed how well he was putting, before the Masters. Now, he gets that inner confidence that comes with making key puts under enormous pressure. I give Rory a slight edge tee-to-green (over Spieth), but I give Jordan a big edge putting. |
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Post by weekendhackers on Apr 14, 2015 1:35:59 GMT
Jordan deserves his #2 ranking in the world and is playing the best golf in the world right now. That doesn't mean he is as good a golfer as Rory though. Rory has more major wins then Jordan has top 10s. Jordan's only other top 10 so far in majors is last year at Augusta. I realize it is a VERY small sample size and its unfair to expect more, but that is also the reason it is unfair to proclaim him at the level of Rory. We haven't seen Jordan content on other courses in majors yet. We haven't seen him obliterate a field like Rory has. (Yes he was in total control this past week, but he didn't lap the field. Augusta played easy by its standards and many shot low). Rory has simply done a LOT more at this point.
If Jordan could bomb it more I would feel different. I just think Rory has such a huge adv at most major veneus which play very long. Rory's long and towering ball flight is such a weapon in those scenarios. Even a very hard and fast Augusta could prove more challenging for Jordan.
Now everything you said about Jordan is very true and is the reason he is the clear #2 right now. His intangibles and ability to grind separate him from other golfers. He was extremely impressive this past weekend. I don't want to make it sound like I am not amazed by him. Rory is just a cut above everyone in pure talent and ability.
Now Spieth ought to be the #1 player in our league because he plays ALL the time and is a consistent top 10 machine on tour.
As for the question of 5 or more majors. That is a very difficult one. I will say under for now because the fields are so deep and I need to see him win more on other difficult/longer courses.
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Post by weekendhackers on Apr 14, 2015 2:02:50 GMT
Jordan has played all the majors since the 2013 US Open. Here is how Jordan and Rory compared.
2013 US Open Jordan=CUT; Rory=T41
2013 Open Championship Jordan=T44; Rory=CUT
2013 PGA Jordan=CUT; Rory=T8
2014 Masters Jordan=2; Rory=T8
2014 US Open Jordan=T17; Rory=T23
2014 Open Championship Jordan=T36; Rory=1
2014 PGA Jordan=CUT; Rory=1
2015 Masters Jordan=1; Rory=4
Jordan 1 win, 2 Top 10s, 3 CUTS
Rory 2 wins, 5 Top 10s, 1 CUT
This doesn't include Rory's other major wins (4 total) and top 10s (11 total).
I expect Jordan to continue to play better and better in majors and this will change to be closer, but as of now its a tough argument to say Jordan is in Rory's league. I think we quickly forget that Rory was going for his 3rd major in a row this past weekend. He nearly missed the cut and still managed to find himself at -12 and in 4th at the end. That is a testament to his incredible ability and talent.
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Post by Annihilation Nation on Apr 14, 2015 2:28:36 GMT
I am not disagreeing that Rory shouldn't still be considered the best but he has had time to mature whereas Spieth is still a spring chicken. I think a more fair comparison between Rory and Jordan would be to compare how each did in all majors at the same age. McIlroy has 4 years on Spieth so that should be an advantage. How many majors did Rory have before he turned 22. In 2013 Spieth was only 19 and in 2014 20. It would be interesting to see how Rory did at that age if he even played all of them. Also majors shouldn't be the only judge either, all other events should count some as well. That is where I think the consistancy factor should be judged. I know Spieth hasn't had a long enough track record to be considered consistant with any long term trends but he just seems like the kind of player that is going to contend almost every week he plays.
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Post by greenjacksixpack on Apr 14, 2015 15:22:33 GMT
Well...many of you know I often am against sheepdom, and anxious to poke holes in the general logic and adoration of the next "great" player...but Spieth is different. His talent is special...like mentioned...His putting and overall short game is superb....that is refreshing. Yes, the guys who boom it have many fans...but I always myself catered to the greens...and the finesse part of game. But even more than the physical talent...it is the POISE that really impresses you. I think both Rory and Jordon have more majors ahead...but I don't think they are alone...you have many strong talents...and many who are also young. That said...I think Spieth will have at least five majors...and his mental attributes are why. I will also say...like I do with Tiger...Phil...and others who have done such: Even if his game and results at the other sites through the years do not quite measure as high... Jordan at August a alone will always be a factor for likely the next three decades, barring health ( knock on wood). Tiger and Phil are the latest greats at Augusta...not just the victories...but entire history. I think Jordan is one of if not THE next one...The British and U.S. Opens are still to be determined IMO...and PGA...maybe some years better than others...but I will say...Jordan will have at least three green jackets...and perhaps even be the one to match Jack at Augusta...but three MINIMAL at Augusta.
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Post by weekendhackers on Apr 14, 2015 15:33:27 GMT
Man I am right with you Josh. I think he wins 3 jackets which means he will need 2 other major wins. I think it is very doable I just need to see him perform a bit better at some of the other majors before I give him 5+. I think Rory wins 8-12.
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Post by back9guy on Apr 14, 2015 18:22:50 GMT
As a biased owner, I love what JS has done for me lately. The shot that impressed me alot was when he was he the trees right on 14 (??) on Sunday and had the gallery moved and hit a low shot to the right of the green and chipped next to hole to save par. From the TV angles, i thought he was going to do the low hook, like Tiger does so often.
again time will tell but next year's auction will be quite spirited if JS keeps going like this.
I can't believe I traded Rose for second year in a row and he gets hot....
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Post by greenjacksixpack on Apr 15, 2015 17:48:27 GMT
When Kaymer is back to clicking...will not mind so much, Bob.
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Post by Annihilation Nation on Jul 12, 2015 5:31:18 GMT
Spieth had a great day at the John Deere classic. He was all over the pin today on his approach shots and his putter was working like usual. He holed out an eagle approach shot from the wrong fairway on #17 today and hit the pin with another shot. His 61 was the best of career. Is Jordan in prime shape for the British this year?
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Post by Sea Island Mafia on Jul 14, 2015 2:33:07 GMT
Spieth had a great day at the John Deere classic. He was all over the pin today on his approach shots and his putter was working like usual. He holed out an eagle approach shot from the wrong fairway on #17 today and hit the pin with another shot. His 61 was the best of career. Is Jordan in prime shape for the British this year? I continue to marvel at Spieth's putting. I expect him to make everything, more importantly so does he. Can't believe he's that good a putter, at such a young age. The dude is Boss of the Moss. |
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Post by Annihilation Nation on Jul 14, 2015 2:42:13 GMT
I will start the bidding on Spieth at $120.00
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