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Post by back9guy on Jul 24, 2015 16:39:41 GMT
back9guys
Andres Gonzales in
for Morgan Hoffmann
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Post by SubSeventy on Jul 24, 2015 21:53:15 GMT
Assuming Pinckney goes in for DeLaet who W/D, I'm not making any subs this week.
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Post by enoughpars on Jul 24, 2015 22:48:04 GMT
Vaughn Taylor IN
Tony Finau OUT
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Post by Sea Island Mafia on Jul 24, 2015 22:58:31 GMT
Wheatcroft in for Duke.
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Post by angrybirdies on Jul 25, 2015 2:07:13 GMT
Martin Laird out
Jonas Blixt in
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Post by weekendhackers on Jul 27, 2015 1:10:21 GMT
Assuming Pinckney goes in for DeLaet who W/D, I'm not making any subs this week. Ryan, DeLaet completed round 1 so you will have to use a sub for him this week. I will put Pinckney in as a sub for you though. |
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Post by SubSeventy on Jul 27, 2015 12:19:35 GMT
So someone can post a lineup right when the field comes out, then one of their "starters" can W/D from the tourney on a Tuesday before play even gets going and the alternate gets inserted but when an actual golfer w/d's because of injury after teeing it up, I have to pay to get a sub in? That doesn't make any sense..
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Post by Annihilation Nation on Jul 28, 2015 3:27:28 GMT
Ryan,
That rule has always been that an alternate only goes in if a player does not complete his first round of play. Once he posts his first round score (provided it is a complete round) he is no longer eligible to be used as a replacement even if he withdraws. The purpose of the alternate rule was for players that were iffy to compete at all, we just extended it to include a partial first round. Once a player completes that first round he shouldn't be able to be taken out automatically for the alternate.
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Post by SubSeventy on Jul 28, 2015 15:38:05 GMT
Eric,
I completely get that but then if that is the case, in your scenario, why should someone have their alternate inserted when their player withdraws from the field on a Tuesday? In your scenario, you are talking about someone completing their round, not entering a damn tournament. That is all I am saying. I don't see why when someone backs out from a tournament after being in the initial published field constitutes as a "free alternate" replacement. Said owner set their lineup and the didn't check again, to me, that shouldn't warrant a "free replacement" but to each their own I guess.
I will agree to disagree that it is the same.
It isn't that big of a deal but something that has just struck me as odd this year. I think the whole "alt" is not necessarily being used as it was intended. If I remember correctly to when we implemented the alternate and I think it was to alleviate the owners having to be glued to their computer for the "freak" accident or injury where they had to W/D just prior to teeing off. Not when they remove themselves from the field on a Tuesday.
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Post by weekendhackers on Jul 28, 2015 18:57:44 GMT
Ryan,
I am sure Eric will agree with me that we will make sure and make this an item of discussion for next year. The rules just aren't clear enough on when a player has to W/D to make the alternate free. It is however clear that once a player posts a finished round he is no longer available to be alternated out.
Thanks,
-Aaron
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Post by enoughpars on Jul 28, 2015 19:05:45 GMT
Alright...so being the new guy and all..this is my idea of how the alternate should work. (Just a fresh perspective) You pick your 5 starters and then you pick an alternate. Your alternate should be inserted into your lineup if one of your starters withdraws sometime after Wednesday night say 9pm (just as an example) or for an injury during the round. I think you should be liable to the best of your ability set an accurate starting lineup. An example: Starters- Tiger Woods Hunter Mahan Brooks Koepka JB Holmes Jason Dufner alt: Danny Lee Say Tuesday afternoon Tiger W/D's because his "glutes aren't activating." Danny Lee should not automatically be subbed in. Instead I can reset my starting lineup anytime before the first round starts. If I happen to miss the news that Tiger W/D's well then I believe you should be stuck with the 4 starters with Danny Lee as my continued sub. I get both sides..but to me this is how an "alternate" should work. Thats all! Go TIGER  |
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Post by Annihilation Nation on Jul 29, 2015 1:37:24 GMT
My feeling has always kind of been that the alternate rule should be simply eliminated. With subs it allows an owner to make an adjustment mid tournament anyway.
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Post by weekendhackers on Jul 29, 2015 3:07:33 GMT
Alright...so being the new guy and all..this is my idea of how the alternate should work. (Just a fresh perspective) You pick your 5 starters and then you pick an alternate. Your alternate should be inserted into your lineup if one of your starters withdraws sometime after Wednesday night say 9pm (just as an example) or for an injury during the round. I think you should be liable to the best of your ability set an accurate starting lineup. An example: Starters- Tiger Woods Hunter Mahan Brooks Koepka JB Holmes Jason Dufner alt: Danny Lee Say Tuesday afternoon Tiger W/D's because his "glutes aren't activating." Danny Lee should not automatically be subbed in. Instead I can reset my starting lineup anytime before the first round starts. If I happen to miss the news that Tiger W/D's well then I believe you should be stuck with the 4 starters with Danny Lee as my continued sub. I get both sides..but to me this is how an "alternate" should work. Thats all! Go TIGER I think the issue here is I am not sure we get a WD time that is documented and official. Without that it leaves the door open for debate as to when it happened and the commission will get put into position where research and or tough decisions will have to be made. I prefer avoid that. I would say dropping the alternate altogether is the option I prefer. |
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